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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:21:00 -
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One thing first:
Eagle needs a huge max lock range increase to begin with.
70km is way too low for a double 10% optimal range bonused ship , it is only 5km more than the deimos's...
increase it to 85km or more
and for the deimos
the new role bonus probably helps it the least compared to the other hacs
couldnt it get lower signature radius? the zealot is 125m ,deimos 150m ...
ishtar sniper drone carrier of doom .... will be op as hell, a smaller/faster dominix with t2 resists just what we needed
oh and this can probably mwd forever with small signature
vaga:
"Please keep in mind that it can still be used exactly the same way that it always has been with virtually no change in performance."
hmm role bonus should give it much better results vs large guns,so the performance improved a lot(probably the winner of the role boni) |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
420
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:53:00 -
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I dont get whats the problem with ishtar's cpu. Even if it has to fit some cpu mods/rigs it is still an awesome ship 650+ dps at 100km+ range is pretty awesome for a med hull. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
423
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:25:00 -
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This mwd role bonus is so silly.These are not AC-s where you can run your mwd nonstop and sigtank nearly every enemy as you orbit between scam and point range.
What ships would use it out other than the vaga and maybe sac?
The role bonus contradicts with its name,as it doesnt help hacs to do their role,btw what is their role ?:O
Probably Im not the only one who have no idea what these ships general role is as they are so different.
So this role bonus only helps the vaga which was one of the best hac to begin with besides zealot the other hacs are so crappy atm.
And the overpowered cynabal is the reason why people dont use the vaga, cause cynabal does everything just a little better at the same price range. Except super em resist for some very niche role.
The others HACs kite from longer ranges or just goes into scram range where they cant rely on mwd running all the time.
Why give hac-s a role bonus which only helps 1-2 hacs in their jobs and just marginally good for the others?
Imho just find a different role bonus for HACs , or just drop the idea of the role bonus and give each one a different treatment. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
423
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:44:00 -
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Crysantos Callahan wrote:Malcanis wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:[quote=CCP Rise].......
Don't forget that the (beam) zealot just got a 20% DPS buff. Wow, which will make the Beamalot... still bad. Pulses just work way better, I can't imagine to see either a beamalot gang or even a solo zealot with that. Another mid slot, a drone bay, etc. would work way better for it (or what it should do) - every other hac will work way better on range than the zealot. And I still vote for an ab bonus ;)
just remove role bonus
and give them +1 mid or low slots + some fitting |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
426
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:40:00 -
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Drop the mwd sig bonus role ... it is crappy. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
426
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:14:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:
TL:DR these HACs should have individual role bonuses that should support their niche role.
yes
why give them all the same , which only benefits vaga ?:O makes no sense at all |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:44:00 -
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space lanes?:O what are those
ah the tech 1 jump portals... only poor fellas use those ,nothing worth ganking |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:57:00 -
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Eagle , this ship is too slow for blaster so it is a rail platform + optimal bonuses it is a med-long range sniper, it is also specialized ship , then make everything on it to support this.
Why so low targeting range?
It should also lock faster.
Why resist bonus on it when it should outrange enemy and shouldnt come under fire in the first place?
The other hac-s arent much different , no clear roles , as the bonuses and base stats are just all conflict with eachother.
So first think out a good role for them ( yeah they dont have to be the same for all hacs) and then start them balancing
"Increase viability for the worst ships (Eagle, Cerberus, Sacrilege especially)
Support rather than disrupt current uses (AHACs)
Make room for new uses when possible"
yeah dps boost makes eagle/cerb more viable thats for sure , and thats where all increased viability ends
they need more
sacriliege.. it gets caldarinized just like the typhoon, imho the hml bonus is unneeded , if somebody wants hml (which is overnerfed btw) then he will bring a cerb,or something t1/t3
I dont say a hml sac couldnt be good , just cant see why we need it
"The biggest change here, and the one that affects all 8 ships, is a new role bonus. It is the same one that Assault Ships get, a 50% reduction in Signature Radius Penalty from Microwarp Drives. "
not realy it only benefits some with a limited role
what my ab zealot does with this bonus nothing?
what would my sniper eagle do with this bonus , probably nothing, as it cant even supply its guns with cap not alone an mwd
"We feel this is a really nice fit because it doesn't boost afterburner variations that are already very strong, but it does add to resilience for most other uses."
it only gives resilience if you run it ,which is probably wont be the case for most roles these ships are used,
also as a sniper/brawler you want to dictate range --> probably you wont orbit at all just apporace or trying to mwd align out,which means you dont try to sig tank which this bonus is for
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
438
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:03:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:If anyone says that the MWD-Bonus won't change a lot: you are so shamefully wrong.
I can't say it about HACs (yet), but as an example from flying lokis. Comparing the incoming damage of adaptive shielding to amp node in the same situation (orbiting missile ships/ABCs/Battleships) at 20-40km, the incoming damage is much lower using the amp node (which only grants some 40% reduction). Both fits orbiting something singlewebbed with mwd on (~1.4 km/s). I believe my sigs should have been ~750 against ~420.
So considering the experienced damage mitigation yet alone on a loki, sigradius overshadowing the theoretical advantage of higher resists even, that MWD Bonus is going to change a lot. It will change things significantly less for F1-Drones, but that's due to the scenario, not the ship.
lool nobody said the mwd bonus isnt good for an orbiting kiter ship like the vaga
but it is nearly useless for every other hac
so why give all 8 the same role bonus when only 1 can use it out? |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
439
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:52:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:I've got it. ECM immunity. Because **** FALCONS! It is a serious proposal though  Flame away!
pff
why not dmg immunity ? cause of dps ships |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:49:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I know that there were issues when an AB bonus was seriously considered for Assault Frigates. However perhaps it SHOULD be considered again for HACs. Such a bonus on a Cruiser size hull might actually work in a much more balanced fashion than it would have on a Frigate sized hull. Vagabond pilots might have an aneurism though.
balanced fashion?
it is already hard to hit ab zealots, no need for such bonuses |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
448
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:53:00 -
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Battlingbean wrote:You guys seem extremely self serving, the Zealot is already considered the best HAC and you want a drone bay too? OK then I want 50 MB drones on the Eagle since it is bad and also has no drone bay.
why not 125/400
if other races take missle from caldari , caldari could take drone from gallente :)
and change the resist bonus to drone dmg and optimal
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